Games you hate, yet everyone else cherishes.

Actually, I did max everything, I had my weapons as high as they could go at that point in the game, and same with my HP (I never invested anything but HP except once where I selected Stamina). I had perks just sitting around unused as I didn't even meet the requirements to apply them!

But, then again, I just hate games where I feel you are penalized for leveling up, not rewarded, and all Elder Scrolls games I've played I felt I was better off not leveling up ever. Just consider me a gamer that if your game uses level scaling, it is more than likely not for me, though I have made exceptions if the story is decent.

If you maxed everything, you shouldn't have had any trouble with midlevel Ice Wraiths at all.  Those stop being a threat at level 10 if you've got points into weapon/armor skills that boost effectiveness.  Even at 40% extra effectiveness, that's a huge advantage once you got up to Glass Armor or even Steel armor.

I don't really feel it's "penalized for leveling up".  It's more like you're penalized for spending your points poorly.  Also, if you really wanted to, you could have saved your "level up!" screens for when you were having issues in battle.  Leveling up is a free refill on Health, Magicka, and Stamina.

I really do find it hard to believe that you'd have issues with Ice Wraiths at level 20 if you had invested as many points as humanly possible into at least one combat tree and at least one armor tree...

Maybe I found a level scaled version of them? I do recall handling them at level 10 (though it was close), then at 20 they kicked my butt. Maybe they got scaled up too? Or, maybe it was because at level 20 or so I started meeting 4 or so of them at once, and a dragon decided to join the party too (as I was at that point of the plot too)? Seemed there was always a dragon battle at Winterfell too, so that added to the trouble (one time two dragons attacked back to back!). I think I just had bad luck with that city. Still, despite that, it was not the level scaling in the end that turned me off from the game, just that it got so...tiring after a week or so of playing it.

I will give you credit on one thing...the level scaling was better than Daggerfall! Not sure if you or anyone else played it, but the level scaling was really bad in that game (though you could game it and find a way around it too if you wished). Not sure why everyone cherishes that game...maybe because it was one of the first open world games I remember being released?

But, back to the OP....I would say I find the Elder Scrolls games in general too cherished. I just find them...meh. Between bad or boring plots,level scaling and bugs (Daggerfall had so many it needed a can of raid), I've just never cared for those games. I can tolerate bugs and even level scaling if the plot is good and the game is still playable, but in my opinion none of the Elder Scrolls games have a good enough story to stick with and keep playing.

There were "boss level ice wraiths", but they tended to be reserved for certain quests or random encounters.

Oh, god. I forgot about Wraiths. It's not that they're hard, but they're freaking EVERYWHERE!!!

Dayz, CoD, WoW suck

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There is such a game for other platforms, and it didn't receive the hate you claim it would: http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-vita/playstation-all-stars-battle-royale

Also, I dislike Twitter, the text-based MMORPG.

I think the reason Smash Brothers gets all the love is it is a good party game. If it didn't have that going for it, I doubt the game would be nearly as popular.

Smash Bros. Melee is still a hugely popular competitive game at EVO, so... No, I don't think so. But it certainly fits into this thread, since everyone else seems to cherish it!

The reason Smash Bros. is so beloved is because it works on so many levels. It's one of the best examples of an ensemble fighting game that has solid mechanics, is one of the most fun party games in the industry, as well as one of the most deceptively deep fighting (yes, I am using that term loosely because Smash is not a fighting game in the traditional sense) games in the genre. This is also why it's so popular among competitive players. Much like Tekken, it's very easy to pick up and play, but once you spend some time looking under the hood you find it's more than a simple button masher.

Of course, the sheer wealth of content in these games as well as the "love letter" appeal help it immensely.

Smash Brothers is a fun game to play and sit down with friends. And also to beat the crap out of each other with. You could say, to me it's a coffee table game (helps start conversations).I love the game to death for many more reasons, this is just my main use for it.


However, I love watching the pros play. When you get down to it, the game can get extremely technical and the mind games I see other players pull off in this game are unreal. It's insane at how technical some players play and analyze this game


One game I hate though. Definitely the Borderland's series. To me they just were not a lot of fun and kind of bored me. Sorry not sorry.

Diablo and pretty much any similar styled game except for Path of Exile (never have been sure why this is the exception).

I just cannot play that style of game at all, even co-op doesn't fix it for me.

So basically a lot of the isometric platformers? Bastion, Torchlight, etc?

Hmm it's not necessarily the isometric perspective that causes it.  I'm actually a very big fan of Bastion and I like a lot of crpgs from the isometric perspective too e.g. Arcanum, Neverwinter Nights etc.  Don't like Torchlight though, shame coz I love the visual style and music in both games.

I think some people use the tag arpg for this style of game?  Though I think Diablo-like works better.

Agreed. It's similar to how I feel about Mario Kart, Mario Party and even FIFA. It's just a fun game to chill out with your friends with. I enjoy watching the pros play, too, though I dislike a lot of the MLG mentality and the elitism associated with it. I know not all pro players are like that, but I've met a few that didn't see the game as fun, just something they were really good at.

Borderlands definitely gets that way in single player, though playing with friends makes it a whole lot more enjoyable IMO.

I tried Diablo. Then I stopped trying Diablo. I wasn't a fan, exactly.

With regards to Super Smash Bros: We seem to be overlooking that it has well established, easily recognizable characters, and it's a non-gory fighting game that's family friendly(ish), and easy to pick up. I don't like a lot of things about it, but it's a decent game. I enjoy it for what it is. 

@Sailerius I think the reason it would receive so much hate from XBox/Sony crowd would only be because we are used to blood and gore. Dante's Inferno, anyone?

I hate

Fun is subjective. Not really for me, though, I guess.

I like Smash for a party game, but honestly Mario Party, Mario Kart, or Dokapon Kingdom are all better party games.