MV - SRPG Engine MV - Plugins for creating Tactical Battle System

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- i was able to replicate that bug with the UpdatedDemo2.3
--> i gave a similar "line" skill to the Slime
(bugs at first attack)
@Doktor_Q
--> so i guess it has something to do with the AOE Plugin..
mostly with how AI handles some of the AoeTypes ..

(but i cant say why "line" triggers the bug faster than "cone" for example, or why in some cases "line" works first and bugs later)

->tested in UpdatedDemo2.3 "cone" works but if actor is closer to enemy it bugs

well geez, that was unexpected!
I seriously thought I screwed up something but was a bug in the programming all along. Thanks tho, if you manage to solve the bug tell me.

@Dopan I have a hypothesis that I'll try testing- I think it's based on directional AoEs, where the direction it would use from its starting position is different from the one it will use after movement. The error happens if the incorrect direction wouldn't hit anything- this explains why "plus" works, "line" fails, and "cone" sometimes fails- the plus ignores direction, and cone is directional but wide enough to still look like it hits something, even if facing the wrong way.

EDIT: Managed to replicate the issue and confirm I fixed it. SRPG_AoE and SRPG_AIControl have been updated on the github page.

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@ ALL
edit 2
Tested "line" with the updated Plugins DrQ mentioned #703
..it works
(didnt test All AOEs again but "Line" was the one that buged instant)

Updated-SRPG_Demo 2.4 Is Uploaded :
(Link in Signature Spoiler)
-bugfixes & updated Plugins Included-
Changelog:
-reworked All Event IDs of "Chucks Maps" added Switches, a Common Event and Improved Skill: "revive" & "fusion"
-added Default Blank Map with Placeholder Events for 12 Actors
(its an Example on how to make sure that every Actor has the Same EventID on every BattleMap)
-added img "Char Numbers"
-added 2 screenshots to zipFile, for "PluginManager"-info
=> i recommend to delete old DemoVersions and use this one^^
(aslong there are no new Plugin Updates or new SRPG Plugins this should be the FINAL Updated-SRPG_Demo Version)

Example IMGs Reworked Event IDs for Actor Placeholder

thanks dude, I am grateful towards you!

I got a Question:
Is there a way to use a skill triggert Common Event and to make the CE trigger BEFORE the actual Skill-effect in MapBattle Mode?
I try to use Galvs Picture Animations MV on single target Skills like "fire"
..I use a "blank Image"=invisible with curser sizes to move the animation
i got 2 Issues with that:
1. CE triggers after Skill effect (dmg effect happens to early),..
2. And the only way i could get the Screen ID to set IMG & start Animation,, was using Event ID ,that way every actor needs his own skill (+CE) ,i would preffer a way to Store the "battler a" in a varible instead of the "event ID"
(However the sesond Issue is not the main Problem ,EventID does the job if there is no other way)

skill Setup

about the CE I used:
-Event1=actor1 varibles gives the image-animation the point where to start
(similar to what "batller a" would be)

IMG EG Variable event1 = X Screen

-Cursor Player variables gives the image-animation the point where to move (similar to what "battler b" would be)

=> what it looks like at the Moment ,when CE triggers after Skill-effect.
(the animation on the target is the default skill animation which i want to trigger in the second Place..atm it trigers at the first place)


Edit .(in order to explain Issue 1 better)
there is a script for rpg maker vx ace for this but it wasnt ported into MV,
because on SV battles, it seems possible to use (Yep)ActSeqPack1 -Skill Notetag to change what triggers first..

@Dopan at the moment, no- the common event is run at the very end of the skill, similar to how it normally works in the normal battle system (not accounting for Yanfly action sequences). What I typically do to make special animations beforehand is put code in a <Custom Execution> notetag, so it runs after the skill cost is paid, but before any other logic- for example, a "lunge" skill that opens with "user.forward(3)" to cause the character to run up to the enemy before the attack.

Could you explain a bit more about what kind of effect you're trying to make?

welp, here's another question I want to make.
How I do make action sequence work on map battle mode, because I saw that it works both in front view, and in side view, but never worked on map battle.
I'd like to know how I'd make them work.


This is the formula I am trying to work with, hopefully you can make it work in Map Battle

@Doktor_Q
i try to move an animation from the skill user to the Target.More detailed Im moving a (not visible) Picture and this Picture has an Animation connected. And Im using Variables to set the Pictures Position and to set where the Picture moves to.

The Variable to set Pic-Position is "Event-1 X & Y ->Screen"
(what is = actor 1 if all events are in order)
The Variable where to move, is the CursorPlayer Position,
(what is = target)

its a visusal Effect that shows how the fire moves from Skill-user to Target.
This could also be used to make more complicated Visual effects with moving animations but without a skill notetag that says "wait for CE to end before effect"..
the DMG happens to early so it looks bad..but i understand if its not possible and i dont wanna ask for the work to build an extra plugin, i just hoped there is a way to Trigger the DMG-Effect a little bit later or even better to let it wait for the CE.

@Yew Bowman
Im pretty sure thats not possiblle, ActSeq is made for SV Batlle Screen as far i understand it
edit.
And sry but i dont know ActSeq well enough, to understand what exactly this setup you showed, is doing and how to do the same effect in another way..

Action sequences do not work in map battle. The action sequence plugins are very large and complex modification to the battle scene made by Yanfly, and there's no simple way to port them to the map scene- I'd have to make my own, equally large and complex modifications, which I don't plan on.

For complex effects or conditionals, I'd suggest learning how to use the lunatic mode tags from Skill Core, which do work correctly with map battle. In some cases, you can also just make a fancier damage formula- there's plenty of guides on the forums here about doing novel things with formulas.

@Dopan I meant, what is the effect you want to achieve? I get that its some kind of moving animation, but what is the moving animation representing, etc? There might be a different approach that could work better.

The Skill is a magic Skill similar to every normal "fire" single target skill,only difference is that the Animation doesnt happen only on the target. Moving Animations can also be used to simulate shooting Canon-bullets or (smaller-) Arrows or similar things..

edit.
i used :
<Custom Execution>
$gameTemp.reserveCommonEvent(32);
</Custom Execution>

..to run the CE instead of the "normal way"..and i tried to make the CE shorter (in frame usage) now the DMG-effect timing is a little bit better (=later) atleast it seems so..(still not perfect but for now, the best i can do)


edit2 (looked into Skill Core)
I also tried "<Pre-Damage Eval>" and "<Before Eval>" instead of "<Custom Execution>".. but "<Custom Execution>" works best (=>has the best timing)

Well, damn, are you a conosseur of formulas or lunatic mode?

Lunatic mode means => use Formulas ( i also didnt know that, in the first place ^^)

if u are a noob in using Formulas & Lunatic mode (=like i am ), you have to google and look in the Forum for Scriptcalls or Formulas, that do what you want them to do..
For Example: i wanted the Common Event to trigger with "lunatic mode" using Skill Notetag:
<Custom Execution>
(..)put formulajavacode here(..) #edited added "javacode"
</Custom Execution>

and i goggled : "how to start a Common Event with Scriptcall in RPG MV?" that gave me a link to a topic where i found this Script- FormulaCall=javacode: #edited
" $gameTemp.reserveCommonEvent(32); ".. thats how i made :

<Custom Execution>
$gameTemp.reserveCommonEvent(32);
</Custom Execution>

.. i also looked for a Scriptcall to make a Common Event trigger before the Skill-Effect,but couldnt find one, thats why i asked here if i missed anything on how to do it..

edit.:
i missunderstood something, i thought formulas and javascript code are the same thing,but DrQ explained it better in the next posting.
(="Lunatic Mode & Formulas use both javascript code,but Formulas uses specifically just the javascript code the engine natively uses to determine how much damage or healing happens")

Lunatic mode tags are notetags that let you use javascript code, added by a lot of Yanfly plugins. They slightly different from the damage formulas, in that the damage formula is specifically just the javascript code the engine natively uses to determine how much damage or healing happens. So, Lunatic Mode is not a Formula (unless you're using Damage Core to write a custom formula inside a lunatic mode tag), but both use javascript code.

The biggest difference between them is that damage formulas written in the formula box can only be one line, but lunatic mode tags generally let you write multiple lines.

@ All

I just recognized using:
that changes the timing enough to Use mapbattle Notetag:
"<animationDelay:X>" #waits X frames between the animation and effect
overrides the default settings

and with Using a "Blank" = not Visible 1 frame Animation as Skill Default Animation..(in order to have a trigger for the Delay)

..i can actually let the Common Event be Finished before the Skill-Damage Triggers.. I only needed to try out how much Frames my Common Event Uses till i got the right Timing..
(that didnt work if using the Default skill-Common-Event trigger)

This is a huge Improvement on doing Visual effects in MapBattle; as long the start point of the Image and the End point where the image goes are set. It is possible to let the Picture (and its Animations) move practically everywhere on the screen.. (It will start at the Skill-user and end at the Target) ..before the DMG happens ,aslong the Delay is set right with "<animationDelay:X>" skill notetag.
This Plugin can be used to make bullets or arrows flying,and it can also build more Complicated Visual Sequenses on Map while using "MapBattle=true"_Skills and the Common Event.
(ill try out some more and add it in the next Demo as soon im happy with the results,..perhaps the Plugin could also be used as Animation layer for showing States on the ActorChar)

@Dopan I've been dabbling in trying to make a mapBattle extension specifically to handle shooting projectiles, though it is going kind of slowly. I think you're on the right track in the meantime- the one thing I think you can change is using $gameTemp.activeEvent() and $gameTemp.targetEvent() to directly access those events, rather than needing to use variables to look them up by ID like it looks like you were doing.

that is allready helpfull but how do i use this to set a Image there? with Event Command i use this:
Edit
the Link in my Signature says :
- Show Picture = - Move Picture =
How do i combine this with $gameTemp.activeEvent() and $gameTemp.targetEvent() for the X Y Setting?

@Dopan You can still set the movement via variables, but you can assign those variables directly to the positions with scripts:
$gameTemp.activeEvent().posX()
$gameTemp.activeEvent().posY()
$gameTemp.targetEvent().posX()
$gameTemp.targetEvent().posY()

To save some extra lines in the editor.

EDIT 2 @ All
- Updated-SRPG_Demo 2.5 is Uploaded
-Added Galvs Picture Animations MV -Plugin
-Added Common Event for New Visual upgraded Magic Skill "FireBlast"
-Added Magic Skill "FireBlast" Setup (single target)
-Added "animation" IMG to Pictures Folder
-Added AOE Example Skill " Firestorm AOE 2"
=> this seems to be a small Update ,but the Visual-advantage of using Galvs Picture Animations MV for MapBattle Skills* is huge (*Mapbattle:true -Only!)
=> this can also be used for shotting Arrows ,Bullets or even more Complex moving Animations..
--known Issues:
-Screen Zoom conflicts with the "Screen X Y -Variables"




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Edit 3
I found a way to Control the ActorBattleCommands,
in the SRPG_core -Plugin with Switches.
- edited SRPG_core-Plugin => added Switches for each ActorBattleCommand*,
to the SRPG_core-Plugin Setup.
- updated the SRPG_Demo Version2.5
=> if Switch ID 0 or Switch "false" => Enables ActorBattleCommand
=> if Switch "true" => Disables ActorBattleCommand
(*ActorBattleCommands= "Attack" "Skill" "Item" "Equip" "Wait")
(=> "Skill" = all Skilltypes like "special", "magic" ect)

well, I tried using a random formula, and no matter what, the enemy drains his energy nonstop and stays technically dead, it doesn't disappear until I kill it for real. I am guessing my only solution is using Lunatic Mode or making a dedicated plugin

if (Math.random()<0.1) {a.setHp(a.hp - 100)} else {a.atk * 4- b.def * 2}
This is what the formula looks like btw.