Jay's Dual Tech system

HeroicJay · 2015-10-27T15:13:35+0900

THIS PLUGIN IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THIS FORUM A dual tech allows two characters to join forces and combine their skills into one more powerful skill. However, the use of one requires you to spend the cost of both characters' composite skills, so it can get quite MP (or TP) costly! To use it, just enter the following into the Note box of any skill: You can add more actors (up to ten, though you'll need an extra plugin to use more than four in battle, of course) by just listing them after Actor2's details and before HitRate. Make sure the parameters (other than HitRate, if you use it) always come in pairs; one for the actor ID and one for the skill. The ActorIDs should be their database ID numbers; the Skills can either be skill names or ID numbers. So: will work, so long as actor #1 learns Fire and actor #2 learns Ice. "HitRate" is optional, and accepts the following values: "user" - Uses the hit rate for the actor that used the skill. "first" or "actor1" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor1ID. "second" or "actor2" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor2ID. (You can go up to actor10, but only "first" and "second" are defined by written-out ordinal numbers.) "highest" - Between all actors, select the highest hit rate. "lowest" - Between all actors, select the lowest hit rate. NOTE: I have disabled the "sum" HitRate, since it doesn't really make a lot of sense even for two characters, and certainly not for more than that. If you don't set a HitRate, the hit rate will be the same as if you set it to "user". Magical and Certain Hit skills ignore hit rates anyway, so you may as well not bother with HitRate for those. For the damage formulae of dual and triple tech skills, you may refer to the actors with "c", "d", etc., with "c" being the first actor defined in the tag, "d" the second, and so on up to "l" (lowercase L). "a" still works for the one who initiated the skill, and "b" is, as always, the target. THINGS TO NOTE: For the time being, this dualtech script only uses the turn of one character (in fact, both associated characters can use the dualtech skill in the same turn, if they both can and you can afford the cost!) As dualtechs are (at least at present) tied to specific actors, you'll have to make new versions for different pairings, even if they know the same skills. Each party member has to learn the dualtech ability on their own. So if you want both party members calling it, teach both of them the dualtech skill. If you want one character to always initiate it, give it only to that one. However, the dualtech will only appear when the composite spells are learned and both characters are in the party, so feel free to teach every single one at level 1 if you don't want to have special unlock conditions for them. If you want to break the dependency of a dualtech on another tech, set it as a component to itself. This can be done for either or both of the actors defined in the skill. If you do this, the actor will use any MP or TP costs (or any other costs from plugins) associated with the dualtech skill in the database. Otherwise, the actor will ignore those costs and only spend the cost of the component skill. You can also teach the skill to a character not defined in the tag, which will (for that actor alone) treat the user as a part of the tech, and the user's "component" will be the tech itself. If you do this, however, it is not recommended to define the tech as a component for itself for any other actor. It lists the actors' names in the skill cost, which can get really, really unwieldy. To combat this, if you define Game_Actor.icon() to return icon IDs for each actor, you'll get icons instead. Down below, I have a small snippet of code that can do this for you (but there are other, more flexible ways to do it.) Or you can use the cycle parameters, mentioned below. This script is now fully compatible with Yanfly's SkillCore 1.01 and SkillCooldowns 1.02a! For compatibility purposes, please put this plugin below all plugins that modify skill cost or skill cost display in any fashion (plugins that do this that I'm aware of are the two aforementioned Yanfly plugins and Unconnected42's Ammunition plugin.) If you are using skill costs that come from a universal resource pool (in other words, something the entire party can access like money or items, not something individual like HP, MP, or TP) it is heavily recommended that you do not give the same type of cost to multiple actors for the same dualtech! (For instance, it is not recommended that Actor 1 uses a skill that uses up one Potion and Actor 2 uses a skill that uses up two Potions. If you have exactly two Potions, the plugin will actually let you use the skill and wind up with negative one Potions.) If the cost for each actor comes from a different pool (like A…

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HeroicJay

#81 Nov 18, 2015, 10:43 PM Source

Again, turn skipping like that is an intended feature that I haven't gotten around to yet (sorry, been focused on other things.)

As for making both characters step forward, that's why I heavily recommend the use of Yanfly's skill animation plugins.
Aidensmercy

#82 Nov 19, 2015, 05:28 AM Source

sounds great, still love the plugin either way, still adds more complexity to a game, even if you just get a new skill based on who is in the party at the time.

I don't think I've tried using yanfly's animation plugin, but if it can make them both step forward like that, I'll go give it a try. Thanks!
mosblau

#83 Nov 21, 2015, 04:51 PM Source

Hey,

I really like your plugin, but I have an issue with Bobstha's Battle Commands Customization Plugin (http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/46510-bobstahs-battle-commands-customization-v20-new-weapon-armor-state-commands/). I changed the command list of my actor to only be able to attack and use a skill not allowing him to open a menu to choose a skill. The problem is that the actor can use the dual tech skill even if his partner isn't in the party. It only appears so when I use Bobstah's plugin, with a default command list everything is fine.

I hope you understand what I mean ^^'
HeroicJay

#84 Nov 21, 2015, 09:50 PM Source

I'm using Bobstah's plugin myself without issue, but I don't have any Dualtech skill on the main skill list, and honestly hadn't considered the possibility. Let me try that myself.

EDIT: Yeah, I repro it myself. I suppose the simple answer is "don't put a dualtech skill on the main skill list", but that's not really much of a solution, is it? Let me play around.

EDIT2: It's a simple enough fix on my own side (add something to one of my functions, and then make sure you put a "!" at the end of the skill on the skill list to flag Bobstah's plugin not to show it if you can't use it) but after all this "intended feature intended feature intended feature" that's been going on without an actual update in over a week, I'd feel silly having an update be just a minor incompatibility fix... I guess that, and my lack of anything important to do for the next several hours, should be telling me something, huh?

I think the way I'm going to do turn skipping is through an extension, and it will be a different extension for each battle system (default, Yanfly's ATB, Ellye's ATB/CTB). Since each one will have different requirements. And I suspect the default one will actually be the hardest, believe it or not, so since it seems pretty popular, let's open with Ellye's ATB. Which I'd have to install in my dummy project and figure out how it works. So it may be a while.

EDIT3: Maybe not quite as hard as I thought. I've almost got it. Though I'm currently dealing with double skill use and ATB bar freezing issues, it mostly works.

EDIT4: I haven't tested it entirely thoroughly, but basic functionality seems to be working. I've added the extension.
mosblau

#85 Nov 22, 2015, 12:38 AM Source

Thank you very much for helping me out! At the moment I can't check it, but I'm sure it'll work fine. Thanks again :)
Tigrean

#86 Nov 22, 2015, 06:56 AM Source

Cool so the extension is done for one system how about Yanfly's system will that be done soon?
Ghost of Christmas Kloe

#87 Nov 30, 2015, 02:15 PM Source

The compatibility/patch/extension for Ellye ATB causes issues with Ellye's ATB, she is working on a patch though... I just thought I'd say that quickly...
HeroicJay

#88 Nov 30, 2015, 08:54 PM Source

Yeah, sorry about that, guys. That extension was made pretty hastily, and then it was vacation time. It was mainly my way of saying "I did not forget about the plugin!" before going on vacation and being AFK for a while.

Maybe I should have sat on it longer. >_>

Anyway, fix in progress.

And fix finished. It helped that (M)Ellye (Is the M optional or an initial or something?) figured out the problem before I even sat down to look at it. I will probably do a bit of an overhaul of the extension by the end of the week, though - not to sort out bugs necessarily, but to improve the functionality. I think I want to try to make it work more like Final Fantasy IV: The After Years for ATB systems than it currently is by the time I'm done with it.

Though if you find more bugs, please tell me about them. I can't fix them if I don't know they're there!
DGDgamer

#89 Dec 1, 2015, 05:01 AM Source

Is it possible to add in more attackers, such as a 3 or 4 man skill system?
HeroicJay

#90 Dec 1, 2015, 08:28 AM Source

It already supports triple techs, though they're a little less flexible than dual.

(BTW, this is posted on Dec 7. I'd rather not bump the topic. Things have been dumped on me this week, and then I got distracted by Yanfly's CTB system, which is more-or-less exactly what I wanted in my own primary project. I haven't forgotten, though!)
Tigrean

#91 Dec 1, 2015, 02:56 PM Source

HeroicJay said:
Yeah, sorry about that, guys. That extension was made pretty hastily, and then it was vacation time. It was mainly my way of saying "I did not forget about the plugin!" before going on vacation and being AFK for a while.

Maybe I should have sat on it longer. >_>

Anyway, fix in progress.

And fix finished. It helped that (M)Ellye (Is the M optional or an initial or something?) figured out the problem before I even sat down to look at it. I will probably do a bit of an overhaul of the extension by the end of the week, though - not to sort out bugs necessarily, but to improve the functionality. I think I want to try to make it work more like Final Fantasy IV: The After Years for ATB systems than it currently is by the time I'm done with it.

Though if you find more bugs, please tell me about them. I can't fix them if I don't know they're there!
Cool gald you are working with elly to get that fix, looking forward to see what is next. Also any word on the extension for Yanfly's ATB Plug-in?
ArkDG

#92 Dec 1, 2015, 04:37 PM Source

Can it be only dual? Can't I make a skill that needs three actors to perform it?

If not, can you implement this in your plugin?
Ghost of Christmas Kloe

#93 Dec 1, 2015, 04:40 PM Source

ArkDG said:
Can it be only dual? Can't I make a skill that needs three actors to perform it?

If not, can you implement this in your plugin?

HeroicJay said:
It already supports triple techs, though they're a little less flexible than dual.
Jeez Ark, If you had only read the OP or the plugin description or the post 2 above yours!!! :headshake:
DGDgamer

#94 Dec 1, 2015, 06:01 PM Source

Sorry the explanation was a little vague on using triple attacks in the original post. For anyone still confused, in order to create a triple skill:

1) create the skill (ex fire dash)

2) under the notes of the skill place the <Dual:Actor#,Skill Name,Actor#,Skill Name> (these are the skills of the actors not using this skill)

3) add skill to the third actor

As the author stated in the notes the actor will use this skill if all conditions including cost are met. This will not affect the other 2 actors as they will still use any command you give them.
ArkDG

#95 Dec 1, 2015, 06:19 PM Source

@kloe I'm sorry i.i I was in a rush, posted before going out home, just dont wanted to forget asking... anyway

Tks people for the answer. This script is perfect for my purposes.
Ghost of Christmas Kloe

#96 Dec 1, 2015, 06:21 PM Source

ArkDG said:
@kloe I'm sorry i.i I was in a rush, posted before going out home, just dont wanted to forget asking... anyway

Tks people for the answer. This script is perfect for my purposes.
Its ok, sorry about the harsh post...

and yes the triple-tech attacks are really cool!
HintonR

#97 Mar 2, 2016, 12:26 AM Source

Hello Jay.

I'm having problems with the icon/text that displays beside the skill cost. They are overlapping and not justified beside the cost.
I've seen multiple examples on youtube that have the desired effect I'm looking for, but I'm unsure how to offset the icon/text.

Thank you.
HeroicJay

#98 Mar 2, 2016, 12:30 AM Source

Do you have any cost-altering plugins not by Yanfly (or if they're Yanfly's, are they up to date)?
HintonR

#99 Mar 2, 2016, 12:43 AM Source

Hmmm. I'm looking through my plugins to see again. But It's mostly Yanfly's SkillCore + a few the new extensions he's made for it.

I just did some Plugin reordering since you got me thinking.

The new extensions break your plugin if your plugin is put AFTER them.

I put it under the Skillcore (as shown) and it works fine now. :3

I will test later today if LimitedSkillUses and SkillCooldown is unaffected.

But it was a good reminder to check. Posting the image just as a reference for anyone else who may have issues. Will share what I find out later, when I test the other plugins.
HeroicJay

#100 Mar 2, 2016, 12:48 AM Source

Ah, yes, the dualtech plugin must go after anything and everything that modifies skill cost or skill cost display. That means it should really be below SkillCooldowns too.