Jay's Dual Tech system

HeroicJay · 2015-10-27T15:13:35+0900

THIS PLUGIN IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THIS FORUM A dual tech allows two characters to join forces and combine their skills into one more powerful skill. However, the use of one requires you to spend the cost of both characters' composite skills, so it can get quite MP (or TP) costly! To use it, just enter the following into the Note box of any skill: You can add more actors (up to ten, though you'll need an extra plugin to use more than four in battle, of course) by just listing them after Actor2's details and before HitRate. Make sure the parameters (other than HitRate, if you use it) always come in pairs; one for the actor ID and one for the skill. The ActorIDs should be their database ID numbers; the Skills can either be skill names or ID numbers. So: will work, so long as actor #1 learns Fire and actor #2 learns Ice. "HitRate" is optional, and accepts the following values: "user" - Uses the hit rate for the actor that used the skill. "first" or "actor1" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor1ID. "second" or "actor2" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor2ID. (You can go up to actor10, but only "first" and "second" are defined by written-out ordinal numbers.) "highest" - Between all actors, select the highest hit rate. "lowest" - Between all actors, select the lowest hit rate. NOTE: I have disabled the "sum" HitRate, since it doesn't really make a lot of sense even for two characters, and certainly not for more than that. If you don't set a HitRate, the hit rate will be the same as if you set it to "user". Magical and Certain Hit skills ignore hit rates anyway, so you may as well not bother with HitRate for those. For the damage formulae of dual and triple tech skills, you may refer to the actors with "c", "d", etc., with "c" being the first actor defined in the tag, "d" the second, and so on up to "l" (lowercase L). "a" still works for the one who initiated the skill, and "b" is, as always, the target. THINGS TO NOTE: For the time being, this dualtech script only uses the turn of one character (in fact, both associated characters can use the dualtech skill in the same turn, if they both can and you can afford the cost!) As dualtechs are (at least at present) tied to specific actors, you'll have to make new versions for different pairings, even if they know the same skills. Each party member has to learn the dualtech ability on their own. So if you want both party members calling it, teach both of them the dualtech skill. If you want one character to always initiate it, give it only to that one. However, the dualtech will only appear when the composite spells are learned and both characters are in the party, so feel free to teach every single one at level 1 if you don't want to have special unlock conditions for them. If you want to break the dependency of a dualtech on another tech, set it as a component to itself. This can be done for either or both of the actors defined in the skill. If you do this, the actor will use any MP or TP costs (or any other costs from plugins) associated with the dualtech skill in the database. Otherwise, the actor will ignore those costs and only spend the cost of the component skill. You can also teach the skill to a character not defined in the tag, which will (for that actor alone) treat the user as a part of the tech, and the user's "component" will be the tech itself. If you do this, however, it is not recommended to define the tech as a component for itself for any other actor. It lists the actors' names in the skill cost, which can get really, really unwieldy. To combat this, if you define Game_Actor.icon() to return icon IDs for each actor, you'll get icons instead. Down below, I have a small snippet of code that can do this for you (but there are other, more flexible ways to do it.) Or you can use the cycle parameters, mentioned below. This script is now fully compatible with Yanfly's SkillCore 1.01 and SkillCooldowns 1.02a! For compatibility purposes, please put this plugin below all plugins that modify skill cost or skill cost display in any fashion (plugins that do this that I'm aware of are the two aforementioned Yanfly plugins and Unconnected42's Ammunition plugin.) If you are using skill costs that come from a universal resource pool (in other words, something the entire party can access like money or items, not something individual like HP, MP, or TP) it is heavily recommended that you do not give the same type of cost to multiple actors for the same dualtech! (For instance, it is not recommended that Actor 1 uses a skill that uses up one Potion and Actor 2 uses a skill that uses up two Potions. If you have exactly two Potions, the plugin will actually let you use the skill and wind up with negative one Potions.) If the cost for each actor comes from a different pool (like A…

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nio kasgami

#61 Nov 14, 2015, 10:11 AM Source

I have to say I am impress how you sucess to implement dual technic when ...we think that's BattleLog message are super hardcoded (if you can notice battle message are a important structure of the battle flow and it's horrible to edit)
Tigrean

#62 Nov 15, 2015, 01:00 AM Source

Jay,

I hope you see this right away I just added the dual tech script and set a dual tech up and placed it in Special skill section and when i went to use one of the skills required for the tech the whole list was empty did I mess something up? Let me know please, thanks. Also look at all my saved and all the special skills are gone and I turned off your two plug-ins and look again and they are empty.

Edit2: Ok same issue starting a new game as well, I'm stumped.
HeroicJay

#63 Nov 15, 2015, 01:27 AM Source

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There's no reason my plugin should be affecting other skills or making them disappear from the database. You did remember to click "OK" or "Apply" from the database and not "Close" or "Cancel", right? Are the default skills there? Screenshots perhaps?

Or are they disappearing from the tech list but still in the database? You weren't clear. Either way, screenshots of the skills in the database would help a lot, and perhaps a list of what other plugins you're using.
Tigrean

#64 Nov 15, 2015, 01:32 AM Source

HeroicJay said:
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There's no reason my plugin should be affecting other skills or making them disappear from the database. You did remember to click "OK" or "Apply" from the database and not "Close" or "Cancel", right? Are the default skills there? Screenshots perhaps?

Or are they disappearing from the tech list but still in the database? You weren't clear. Either way, screenshots of the skills in the database would help a lot, and perhaps a list of what other plugins you're using.
Sorry you are right I wasn't clear they disappeared from the list in game all skills are still in the database.

I feel stupid I guess I forgot to go into the updated plug-ins from yanfly so the version changes took effect, I feel so stupid, though where should the dual skill be in the list of plug-ins?
HeroicJay

#65 Nov 15, 2015, 01:42 AM Source

The dualtech plugin should be after every plugin that modifies skill cost, or the display of skill cost. So after Skill Core, for instance.
Tigrean

#66 Nov 15, 2015, 01:43 AM Source

HeroicJay said:
The dualtech plugin should be after every plugin that modifies skill cost, or the display of skill cost. So after Skill Core, for instance.
Ok cool then I have it in the right place I have it last under the skill core plug-in, group.
João Paulo Vinicius

#67 Nov 15, 2015, 02:43 AM Source

I could use the dual and triple , but i can not operate the actor Icon only is the actor's name in skill as it has in the examples above what is it doing to wrong someone could help me ?
HeroicJay

#68 Nov 15, 2015, 03:42 AM Source

You need to make an extra plugin for the icons. I tell you how to make a plugin like that at the bottom of the post; it's really simple if you only want one icon per actor for the entire game.
Tigrean

#69 Nov 15, 2015, 04:44 AM Source

Jay,

Hate to bug you again but I tried the code for the Icons but for some odd reason they are not showing up in the skill. Is it because I'm using a saved game to test it? Because I have no Idea why it isn't working for me? I'm not even getting the names so the Plug-in is working half way for me.
João Paulo Vinicius

#70 Nov 15, 2015, 04:47 AM Source

Tigrean said:
Jay,

Hate to bug you again but I tried the code for the Icons but for some odd reason they are not showing up in the skill. Is it because I'm using a saved game to test it? Because I have no Idea why it isn't working for me?
If this plugin Game_Actor.prototype.icon = function () {

if ( . this.actor () meta.icon ) return Number ( this.actor () meta.icon . ) ; else return 0;

} B

I already did, I put the code < icon : x> in the actor's note even more so is the name of the actors and not the icon ...

I rolled with it
HeroicJay

#71 Nov 15, 2015, 05:06 AM Source

Joao: That code snippet you posted is not correct. There are periods in weird places, and then places where there should be periods but aren't. And there's a random B. And "If this plugin"... it isn't clear if that's part of the code (it shouldn't be) or something you were trying to say.

As for Tigrean, I'm afraid I don't have enough information to say what the problem is.
Tigrean

#72 Nov 15, 2015, 05:17 AM Source

Ok Well I will post the code I have, should be correct because it is a copy and past from what you posted, I will also give a screen shot where I have in the list of codes as well as what it looks like in the game. Here is the code I used:

Game_Actor.prototype.icon = function() {
if (this.actor().meta.icon) return Number(this.actor().meta.icon); else return 0;
}

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Edit: Here is the note tag as well I used
HeroicJay

#73 Nov 15, 2015, 05:27 AM Source

Lowercase I in "icon" in the note tag.

(I would also recommend displaying your Skills window differently - be it a wider window, limiting to one skill per row, a better font, or whatever - because of that text collision. That's not you doing anything WRONG per se, but that long skill name and long skill cost are pretty obviously colliding.)
Tigrean

#74 Nov 15, 2015, 05:39 AM Source

HeroicJay said:
Lowercase I in "icon" in the note tag.

(I would also recommend displaying your Skills window differently - be it a wider window, limiting to one skill per row, a better font, or whatever - because of that text collision. That's not you doing anything WRONG per se, but that long skill name and long skill cost are pretty obviously colliding.)
Sounds good I'll have to look in Yanfly's script to see how to do that.

Edit: Stupid syntax, lol, thanks it is working now Jay.
João Paulo Vinicius

#75 Nov 15, 2015, 06:05 AM Source

I finally managed to bring up the icon of the actor , but he appears on top of the cost of the skill mp, is to move more icons to the left and free of the MP numbers ?
HeroicJay

#76 Nov 15, 2015, 06:09 AM Source

João Paulo Vinicius said:
I finally managed to bring up the icon of the actor , but he appears on top of the cost of the skill mp, is to move more icons to the left and free of the MP numbers ?
Can I assume you are using Yanfly's Skill Core? If so, update it to the newest version; that little graphical hiccup only happens with the old versions. If you're using SkillCooldowns, update that one too.
Tigrean

#77 Nov 15, 2015, 07:33 PM Source

Jay,

Got a quick question I noticed that many of the demos of dual tech does wait for the other actor to have an action to and then uses the dual tech as the action on both characters. How do you set that up in the game?
HeroicJay

#78 Nov 15, 2015, 07:52 PM Source

Which demos are you talking about? The only demo I saw do anything close to that was Fernyfer's, which actually had the skills be instant-cast and put a paralyzing status effect on both actors to prevent the other character's movement.

It's a planned feature whenever I get around to it, but I haven't written it yet.

If you are talking about the animations, they used Yanfly's Skill Animation plugins.
Tigrean

#79 Nov 15, 2015, 09:49 PM Source

HeroicJay said:
Which demos are you talking about? The only demo I saw do anything close to that was Fernyfer's, which actually had the skills be instant-cast and put a paralyzing status effect on both actors to prevent the other character's movement.

It's a planned feature whenever I get around to it, but I haven't written it yet.

If you are talking about the animations, they used Yanfly's Skill Animation plugins.
Well the one demo on Yanfly's channel by Driftwood I thought did this but I guess I was mistaken he kind of camouflage it and it look like it spent both character's attacks but it didn't. I'm looking forward to when you actually add this possibility then. Also thanks for your prompted responses you are great.
Aidensmercy

#80 Nov 18, 2015, 09:25 PM Source

I have no issues with this plugin, work beautifully.

I do have a kinda request though, I use ellye's ATB plugin, and it works fine, but when i use the dual tech, the partner isn't effected, they can still take their turn as well, even use the same dual tech at the same time.

So, if it is at all possible, could you make this more compatible with ellye's ATB plugin, make it so when one of the two people use it, the other stops and starts casting also, and make both people step forward and use it, then both start the ATB gauge back over.

I just think it would make this plugin a little more realistic, and I REALLY want to use this plugin.