Jay's Dual Tech system

HeroicJay · 2015-10-27T15:13:35+0900

THIS PLUGIN IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THIS FORUM A dual tech allows two characters to join forces and combine their skills into one more powerful skill. However, the use of one requires you to spend the cost of both characters' composite skills, so it can get quite MP (or TP) costly! To use it, just enter the following into the Note box of any skill: You can add more actors (up to ten, though you'll need an extra plugin to use more than four in battle, of course) by just listing them after Actor2's details and before HitRate. Make sure the parameters (other than HitRate, if you use it) always come in pairs; one for the actor ID and one for the skill. The ActorIDs should be their database ID numbers; the Skills can either be skill names or ID numbers. So: will work, so long as actor #1 learns Fire and actor #2 learns Ice. "HitRate" is optional, and accepts the following values: "user" - Uses the hit rate for the actor that used the skill. "first" or "actor1" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor1ID. "second" or "actor2" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor2ID. (You can go up to actor10, but only "first" and "second" are defined by written-out ordinal numbers.) "highest" - Between all actors, select the highest hit rate. "lowest" - Between all actors, select the lowest hit rate. NOTE: I have disabled the "sum" HitRate, since it doesn't really make a lot of sense even for two characters, and certainly not for more than that. If you don't set a HitRate, the hit rate will be the same as if you set it to "user". Magical and Certain Hit skills ignore hit rates anyway, so you may as well not bother with HitRate for those. For the damage formulae of dual and triple tech skills, you may refer to the actors with "c", "d", etc., with "c" being the first actor defined in the tag, "d" the second, and so on up to "l" (lowercase L). "a" still works for the one who initiated the skill, and "b" is, as always, the target. THINGS TO NOTE: For the time being, this dualtech script only uses the turn of one character (in fact, both associated characters can use the dualtech skill in the same turn, if they both can and you can afford the cost!) As dualtechs are (at least at present) tied to specific actors, you'll have to make new versions for different pairings, even if they know the same skills. Each party member has to learn the dualtech ability on their own. So if you want both party members calling it, teach both of them the dualtech skill. If you want one character to always initiate it, give it only to that one. However, the dualtech will only appear when the composite spells are learned and both characters are in the party, so feel free to teach every single one at level 1 if you don't want to have special unlock conditions for them. If you want to break the dependency of a dualtech on another tech, set it as a component to itself. This can be done for either or both of the actors defined in the skill. If you do this, the actor will use any MP or TP costs (or any other costs from plugins) associated with the dualtech skill in the database. Otherwise, the actor will ignore those costs and only spend the cost of the component skill. You can also teach the skill to a character not defined in the tag, which will (for that actor alone) treat the user as a part of the tech, and the user's "component" will be the tech itself. If you do this, however, it is not recommended to define the tech as a component for itself for any other actor. It lists the actors' names in the skill cost, which can get really, really unwieldy. To combat this, if you define Game_Actor.icon() to return icon IDs for each actor, you'll get icons instead. Down below, I have a small snippet of code that can do this for you (but there are other, more flexible ways to do it.) Or you can use the cycle parameters, mentioned below. This script is now fully compatible with Yanfly's SkillCore 1.01 and SkillCooldowns 1.02a! For compatibility purposes, please put this plugin below all plugins that modify skill cost or skill cost display in any fashion (plugins that do this that I'm aware of are the two aforementioned Yanfly plugins and Unconnected42's Ammunition plugin.) If you are using skill costs that come from a universal resource pool (in other words, something the entire party can access like money or items, not something individual like HP, MP, or TP) it is heavily recommended that you do not give the same type of cost to multiple actors for the same dualtech! (For instance, it is not recommended that Actor 1 uses a skill that uses up one Potion and Actor 2 uses a skill that uses up two Potions. If you have exactly two Potions, the plugin will actually let you use the skill and wind up with negative one Potions.) If the cost for each actor comes from a different pool (like A…

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HeroicJay

#221 Nov 5, 2017, 05:29 AM Source

It isn't really built that way, but there's nothing stopping you from making a Fire Slash II skill.

If Fire II replaces Fire I (as in, Fire I drops off the menu when Fire II is learned), you could even hide it effortlessly: when you don't have one of the component skills for the dualtech, the dualtech does not appear at all.
HintonR

#222 Jan 16, 2018, 02:44 PM Source

Hello.

I was wondering if there are more than 2 dual attack participants, how do I write an according damage formula?

a = initiator b = target c = first d = second (as per example) but will e, f, g, etc be considered for subsequent participants?

Thanks :)
HeroicJay

#223 Jan 16, 2018, 04:56 PM Source

Yes, up to L (well, l, but I didn't want to confuse that with capital i).
Senshu

#224 Mar 5, 2018, 11:36 AM Source

I seem to be having a few issues with the plugin. First off the required party members and their skill costs don't display for the Dual Tech.
secondly is error displayed in the screenie.

Info:
Dual Tech:
Damage formula: ((c.mat+d.mat)*(1.01+(a.level/100))*(1.01+(v[60]/1000)
Note Tag: <Dual:1,26,2,51>
TP cost: 25 (Is this allowed?)

Skill 26:
MP cost = 7 + 5%

Skill 51:
MP cost = 7 + 5%

Actor 1:
<icon:252>

Actor 2:
<icon:252>
SuperMasterSword

#225 Mar 5, 2018, 12:17 PM Source

@Senshu You didn't close all the parenthesis in your damage formula, also you may be using a version of MV that's incompatible with Dual techs, because I think it should at least be telling you that it's an issue with the damage formula. And that looks like an error related to the nw.js upgrade. Are you using 1.6?
Senshu

#226 Mar 5, 2018, 01:42 PM Source

SuperMasterSword said:
@Senshu You didn't close all the parenthesis in your damage formula, also you may be using a version of MV that's incompatible with Dual techs, because I think it should at least be telling you that it's an issue with the damage formula. And that looks like an error related to the nw.js upgrade. Are you using 1.6?

Unfortunately, yes, I am using 1.6 >:

Ok, I fixed the parenthesis issue and that actually fixed the lack of resource cost and the icons, and the error doesn't come up. The skill does 0 damage now, but i'm sure that just means there's an issue in my formula somewhere.

Also, bonus question, for anyone who does a lot of action sequences. I'm trying to get these specific actors to use a casting animation for it, but using "Actor" seems to refer to party member instead of the actors in the database, how do I refer to specific actors?
HeroicJay

#227 Mar 5, 2018, 05:16 PM Source

"character X", not "actor".

1.6 seems to be having issues for a lot of people. They created a 1.5.2; maybe try that?

You asked "is this allowed?" for the 25 MP casting cost. The answer is: yes. Technically. But any costs associated with the dual tech itself will be ignored in most cases. (There are special cases that use it. You can define a dualtech as a prerequisite for itself, or you could teach it to an actor not defined in the "dual" tag. It will be used in those cases.)
Navy Goku

#228 Jun 16, 2018, 03:23 AM Source

I got a little problem with this plugin. The first time i use it, was working. But when i create the news skills, is not working anymore. I cannot acces to the skill menu or selec the skill in battle. When i tried, i get this.
TypeError: Cannot read property 'id' of undefined
HeroicJay

#229 Jun 16, 2018, 08:47 AM Source

There could be something wrong with your formatting, or it could be a plugin incompatibility issue if you've installed new ones. Can you copy/paste or screenshot exactly what you put in the Note box of your skills?
Navy Goku

#230 Jun 16, 2018, 06:51 PM Source

Sorry, my game is in spanish

Notebox: <Dual:2,Corte Latigo,6,Corte de Viento>

Formula: 500 + c.atk * 5 + d.mat * 5 - b.mdf * 0.2
HeroicJay

#231 Jun 16, 2018, 07:57 PM Source

Nothing looks unusual there, assuming you do, in fact, have at least six actors and skills with those names. Have you installed any new plugins lately? Have you tried disabling some of them?

EDIT: I was able to reproduce the error simply by putting nonsense in for the name of one of the parent skills. So double-check the spelling of your skills, perhaps?

I just updated to version 1.1.2c, which will give a better error if the name of the skill is wrong. Try that. If it still doesn't work, let me know.
Navy Goku

#232 Jun 16, 2018, 09:01 PM Source

Thanks!, now its working.
I put the wrong skill in the dual tech skill XD
HeroicJay

#233 Jun 16, 2018, 09:17 PM Source

You alwyas have too be carefull of thosr tpyos. ;)
The storm master

#234 Jun 26, 2018, 06:16 PM Source

First I want to say I love your plugin it adds so many new possibilities to battles. But at some point during my project, I went back to playtest the maps and I have it so you learn a duel skill in battle and I have it set to cycle actors which it does in battle. However, when I try to open in the menu I keep getting the message saying Cannot read property 'skillTpCost' of null" If you can please help me I really don't want to bail on using this.
HeroicJay

#235 Jun 26, 2018, 08:37 PM Source

I'm juggling a few different things right now, but I'll look into it.

Just so I know: do you have any other plugins that might be altering or using TP cost in any way? EDIT: Never mind, it's happening to me too. I'll get this sorted out.

EDIT 2: Easy fix. Not sure how it crept in there in the first place; I'd guess a seemingly-meaningless change in Yanfly or the base code. I don't use CycleActors in my main project, so I didn't notice.
The storm master

#236 Jun 27, 2018, 03:01 PM Source

HeroicJay said:
I'm juggling a few different things right now, but I'll look into it.

Just so I know: do you have any other plugins that might be altering or using TP cost in any way? EDIT: Never mind, it's happening to me too. I'll get this sorted out.

EDIT 2: Easy fix. Not sure how it crept in there in the first place; I'd guess a seemingly-meaningless change in Yanfly or the base code. I don't use CycleActors in my main project, so I didn't notice.

Wow, you are quick and very on top of things. But yeah Yanfly is the only that even touches tp but that's because I'm running the core and skill core plugins
HeroicJay

#237 Jun 28, 2018, 01:23 AM Source

It's the change everyone thought would never happen. It is time... for turns to be linked!

It only works under Yanfly's technically-not-supported-any-more CTB and might have some bugs. But yeah, I finally got around to getting it working. (It's actually the default battle system where the logistics will be the hardest to sort out; I'd just had trouble making it work under CTB and ATB in the past.)

To try it out, download version 2.0 - NOT version 1.1.2. I have both up on the front page. Then add "linked" as the first parameter of any dualtech.

Enjoy!
The storm master

#238 Jun 28, 2018, 12:03 PM Source

HeroicJay said:
It's the change everyone thought would never happen. It is time... for turns to be linked!

It only works under Yanfly's technically-not-supported-any-more CTB and might have some bugs. But yeah, I finally got around to getting it working. (It's actually the default battle system where the logistics will be the hardest to sort out; I'd just had trouble making it work under CTB and ATB in the past.)

To try it out, download version 2.0 - NOT version 1.1.2. I have both up on the front page. Then add "linked" as the first parameter of any dualtech.

Enjoy!
THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU ARE A BLESSING!
WickedWolfy

#239 Jul 1, 2018, 01:25 AM Source

Thank you for your hard work on the plugin.
I've spent two hours bashing my head into the table trying to figure out why my chain skills were no working...
But it might be that it does work properly.

I am trying to check if the actors would "cast their skills together", like Disgaea battle actions.
But regardless, thank you for your hard work.

P.S. Could you list some of those "better at setting player icons" plugins? Google did noo provide anything useful. I might not be searching correct terms.
HeroicJay

#240 Jul 1, 2018, 01:50 AM Source

The way turn linking works - and keep in mind, it only works in version 2.0, with Yanfly's CTB, and if the first parameter of the Dual tag is "linked" - is the same as how it works in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years (ignore that that game was ATB, not CTB, for a second): the user of the dualtech goes on "standby" when the move is used, as does every actor involved until all of them are on standby. Then the skill is activated.

I'm unaware of the existence of any other icon plugins besides my own (which is a very Jay's Journey-specific plugin, not designed for general use.) It's more that I'm saying that such plugins can exist.