Jay's Dual Tech system

HeroicJay · 2015-10-27T15:13:35+0900

THIS PLUGIN IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THIS FORUM A dual tech allows two characters to join forces and combine their skills into one more powerful skill. However, the use of one requires you to spend the cost of both characters' composite skills, so it can get quite MP (or TP) costly! To use it, just enter the following into the Note box of any skill: You can add more actors (up to ten, though you'll need an extra plugin to use more than four in battle, of course) by just listing them after Actor2's details and before HitRate. Make sure the parameters (other than HitRate, if you use it) always come in pairs; one for the actor ID and one for the skill. The ActorIDs should be their database ID numbers; the Skills can either be skill names or ID numbers. So: will work, so long as actor #1 learns Fire and actor #2 learns Ice. "HitRate" is optional, and accepts the following values: "user" - Uses the hit rate for the actor that used the skill. "first" or "actor1" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor1ID. "second" or "actor2" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor2ID. (You can go up to actor10, but only "first" and "second" are defined by written-out ordinal numbers.) "highest" - Between all actors, select the highest hit rate. "lowest" - Between all actors, select the lowest hit rate. NOTE: I have disabled the "sum" HitRate, since it doesn't really make a lot of sense even for two characters, and certainly not for more than that. If you don't set a HitRate, the hit rate will be the same as if you set it to "user". Magical and Certain Hit skills ignore hit rates anyway, so you may as well not bother with HitRate for those. For the damage formulae of dual and triple tech skills, you may refer to the actors with "c", "d", etc., with "c" being the first actor defined in the tag, "d" the second, and so on up to "l" (lowercase L). "a" still works for the one who initiated the skill, and "b" is, as always, the target. THINGS TO NOTE: For the time being, this dualtech script only uses the turn of one character (in fact, both associated characters can use the dualtech skill in the same turn, if they both can and you can afford the cost!) As dualtechs are (at least at present) tied to specific actors, you'll have to make new versions for different pairings, even if they know the same skills. Each party member has to learn the dualtech ability on their own. So if you want both party members calling it, teach both of them the dualtech skill. If you want one character to always initiate it, give it only to that one. However, the dualtech will only appear when the composite spells are learned and both characters are in the party, so feel free to teach every single one at level 1 if you don't want to have special unlock conditions for them. If you want to break the dependency of a dualtech on another tech, set it as a component to itself. This can be done for either or both of the actors defined in the skill. If you do this, the actor will use any MP or TP costs (or any other costs from plugins) associated with the dualtech skill in the database. Otherwise, the actor will ignore those costs and only spend the cost of the component skill. You can also teach the skill to a character not defined in the tag, which will (for that actor alone) treat the user as a part of the tech, and the user's "component" will be the tech itself. If you do this, however, it is not recommended to define the tech as a component for itself for any other actor. It lists the actors' names in the skill cost, which can get really, really unwieldy. To combat this, if you define Game_Actor.icon() to return icon IDs for each actor, you'll get icons instead. Down below, I have a small snippet of code that can do this for you (but there are other, more flexible ways to do it.) Or you can use the cycle parameters, mentioned below. This script is now fully compatible with Yanfly's SkillCore 1.01 and SkillCooldowns 1.02a! For compatibility purposes, please put this plugin below all plugins that modify skill cost or skill cost display in any fashion (plugins that do this that I'm aware of are the two aforementioned Yanfly plugins and Unconnected42's Ammunition plugin.) If you are using skill costs that come from a universal resource pool (in other words, something the entire party can access like money or items, not something individual like HP, MP, or TP) it is heavily recommended that you do not give the same type of cost to multiple actors for the same dualtech! (For instance, it is not recommended that Actor 1 uses a skill that uses up one Potion and Actor 2 uses a skill that uses up two Potions. If you have exactly two Potions, the plugin will actually let you use the skill and wind up with negative one Potions.) If the cost for each actor comes from a different pool (like A…

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HeroicJay

#201 Jan 27, 2017, 04:03 AM Source

Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere, and the idea that the tag would be case-sensitive isn't entirely intuitive to everyone.
jezebelthenun

#202 Jan 27, 2017, 10:59 PM Source

@HeroicJay I really appreciate that.

I'm still having an issue with one of my dual skills. The physical skill I made is aces, working well and looking pretty good using Yanfly's Action Sequences. The second dual skill I made is all magic, and it effects the party. Using actors 4 and 3, actor 4 uses skill All Up to raise Atk, Def, and Eva (skill works fine as a standalone and does what it's supposed to do) then actor 3 uses Reflection Chorus to cast reflect on the party (also works fine by itself). Synchro: Group Hug is set up with both skills, and both actors have learned their respective skill, but when I play test, the animation happens and no buffs are applied. Is there something special I need to be doing differently when skills use magic rather than attacks?
HeroicJay

#203 Jan 28, 2017, 03:13 AM Source

Remember that the Dualtech is a skill in and of itself; the component skills are used for the setup, not the execution. Does the Dualtech itself apply the buffs?

For the record, while I used Fire Slash as my example, there's nothing preventing you from combining Fire and Power Slash into, I dunno, Mega Cure with Regen or something. It might not make much sense, but the plugin judges not. So it's up to you to determine what makes the most sense for the Dualtech, and how creative you wish to be.

If you just want to combine the buffs to save a turn, then that's perfectly fine, though.
jezebelthenun

#204 Jan 29, 2017, 11:19 PM Source

Even with the states being added via the dual skill, they don't show in game.

Video:
HeroicJay

#205 Jan 30, 2017, 12:10 AM Source

Hm. Dunno. Can't say from here.

What does the entire Note box for the skill say? Did you remember the "ACTION EFFECT: target" part? And the suggestion to zip up the project remains relevant.
jezebelthenun

#206 Jan 30, 2017, 12:16 AM Source

:cries:

Nope, I didn't remember it. That was the problem. UUUUUUGH.

My husband keeps asking me why I do this, because it doesn't seem like fun at all. I'm like "IT IS FUN, I SWEAR!" as I pull my hair out.

Thanks again for all of your help.
deathsia

#207 Feb 19, 2017, 03:51 AM Source

Okay, so i've been banging my head against the wall when I've thought about it and I've come up with an idea that just might work...

Is there a code or dmg formula command that will allow me to reduce both actors atb bars to 0 when a skill is used? That way when I activate the skill with one character and use an action sequence to make both actors do their stuff(dmg,effects ect) both actor's atb gauges drop to zero and fill normally.

Or maybe you've patched it so it does this automatically which would be awesome but anyways, an example dmg formula using two actors would be nice since I have idea how to even come close to writing one effectively and don't want to bang my head against my keyboard "trying to understand what I did wrong" followed by coming here and asking you for help which I am doing now.

still using yanfly's atb btw
HeroicJay

#208 Feb 20, 2017, 11:46 AM Source

That's not what I'd consider intuitive ATB turn linking where dualtechs are involved, but it is easy. You're using Yanfly's action sequences? Add this:

ATB GAUGE: character X, 0

Replace X with the character ID. There, resetting the ATB gauge when using dualtechs.

What I would consider intuitive is delaying the move until both characters' ATB bars are full. This is, however, not easy, and with Yanfly discontinuing support for the alternate battle systems (though I'm still using CTB, and try to stop me) and life slowing my RPG Maker progress anyway, I haven't really put a lot of effort into it lately. I was having a big enough headache with turn linking in CTB.
TrailBlazer2016

#209 Mar 9, 2017, 08:50 PM Source

I tried multiple times get the plugin, even simply copying from Pastebin and it keeps getting kicked off because Windows Defender on Win10 sees it as malware. :(

Any ideas?
deathsia

#210 Mar 10, 2017, 07:28 AM Source

TrailBlazer2016 said:
I tried multiple times get the plugin, even simply copying from Pastebin and it keeps getting kicked off because Windows Defender on Win10 sees it as malware. :(

Any ideas?

Your using windows defender as your Anti-Virus?

That's your problem right there!

Get, mcafee, get Avast, Hell get that paranoid as hell Norton but DO NOT use windows defender and attempt to make any claim at all that ANYTHING is a virus.
TrailBlazer2016

#211 Mar 11, 2017, 06:34 PM Source

Seems there was a bit of a misunderstanding, here. I wasn't trying to claim that the plugin was a virus. I was just reporting on what kept happening when I tried to get the plugin. If I'd thought it was going to be this finicky, I'd have switched anti-virus programs a long time ago. So, yeah. Thanks for that.
HeroicJay

#212 Mar 11, 2017, 07:35 PM Source

It's not the first time someone reported that their anti-virus software was being too finicky with plugins on this board. I'll have to remember that Windows Defender is the culprit in the future.
Songsmith

#213 Mar 12, 2017, 12:31 AM Source

Hey Jay. I'll start off by saying that I think your plugin is a beautiful thing, and I'm getting tons of use out of it. I have run into a problem recently though. I think maybe there is an incompatibility with your Dual Techs and Yanfly's SkillLearnSystem? At least, when I run both at the same time I'm having a problem.

I detailed it here - https://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/inde...ays-dualtechs-and-yep-skilllearnsystem.75834/

Any ideas?
Studio Blue

#214 Mar 12, 2017, 01:46 AM Source

Quick questions: What if the skill name is the same for both characters? Can you use the skill id instead? Also, how would this work with YanFly's CTB?
HeroicJay

#215 Mar 13, 2017, 08:53 AM Source

In my main project, I use the plugin with Yanfly's skill learning system and CTB. I'm unaware of any issues with either. I'll look into Songsmith's issue, but I've never seen it.

As for the skill name being the same: if it's the same skill, it doesn't matter either way. If there are two separate skills with identical names, use Skill ID - it's a valid option and always works. (Er, so long as you're not confusingly naming skills as just integers that don't match their skill IDs. That, in addition to being really bizarre, would not work well with this plugin. But that's a very specific scenario, and really, who would do that?)
Studio Blue

#216 Mar 13, 2017, 09:56 AM Source

HeroicJay said:
(Er, so long as you're not confusingly naming skills as just integers that don't match their skill IDs. That, in addition to being really bizarre, would not work well with this plugin. But that's a very specific scenario, and really, who would do that?)

I haven't a clue as to who would do that. Certainly not us! We just have a powerful summon that requires two people to execute, and it sounds like your plugin will solve that problem. We'll let you know if we encounter any bugs, but otherwise, thank you so much for creating this plugin!
Chibi54

#217 Apr 29, 2017, 06:25 PM Source

How do I space out the icons like you did in your screenshot?
HeroicJay

#218 Apr 29, 2017, 08:03 PM Source

It's supposed to be automatic. But any plugins that modify the appearance of skill cost and are set up incorrectly can interfere (Yanfly's relevant plugins should be set up correctly, but you still need to put them above the Dualtech plugin.)

Why, what are you seeing?
Dope

#219 May 31, 2017, 01:06 AM Source

Works fine for me, exactly what I needed. that said, have you figured out a way to make it so that all actors involved in a skill have that action count? That's an exploit that I'd like to keep my players from having. Especially since my dual/triple techs do a lot of damage and can be doubled if certain states are active.
firestalker

#220 Nov 5, 2017, 05:23 AM Source

Is there a way to make it so that you can use next level skills in a dual tech? Say you have a character that has power slash and another that has Fire I, this creates a Fire Slash. Now said character gets Fire II and you want to make it so that Fire II is used instead for more Fire Damage... Is this possible?

I think this would be more useful in conjunction with Equip Battle Skills and Plugins like it.