Jay's Dual Tech system

HeroicJay · 2015-10-27T15:13:35+0900

THIS PLUGIN IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THIS FORUM A dual tech allows two characters to join forces and combine their skills into one more powerful skill. However, the use of one requires you to spend the cost of both characters' composite skills, so it can get quite MP (or TP) costly! To use it, just enter the following into the Note box of any skill: You can add more actors (up to ten, though you'll need an extra plugin to use more than four in battle, of course) by just listing them after Actor2's details and before HitRate. Make sure the parameters (other than HitRate, if you use it) always come in pairs; one for the actor ID and one for the skill. The ActorIDs should be their database ID numbers; the Skills can either be skill names or ID numbers. So: will work, so long as actor #1 learns Fire and actor #2 learns Ice. "HitRate" is optional, and accepts the following values: "user" - Uses the hit rate for the actor that used the skill. "first" or "actor1" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor1ID. "second" or "actor2" - Uses the hit rate for the actor defined by Actor2ID. (You can go up to actor10, but only "first" and "second" are defined by written-out ordinal numbers.) "highest" - Between all actors, select the highest hit rate. "lowest" - Between all actors, select the lowest hit rate. NOTE: I have disabled the "sum" HitRate, since it doesn't really make a lot of sense even for two characters, and certainly not for more than that. If you don't set a HitRate, the hit rate will be the same as if you set it to "user". Magical and Certain Hit skills ignore hit rates anyway, so you may as well not bother with HitRate for those. For the damage formulae of dual and triple tech skills, you may refer to the actors with "c", "d", etc., with "c" being the first actor defined in the tag, "d" the second, and so on up to "l" (lowercase L). "a" still works for the one who initiated the skill, and "b" is, as always, the target. THINGS TO NOTE: For the time being, this dualtech script only uses the turn of one character (in fact, both associated characters can use the dualtech skill in the same turn, if they both can and you can afford the cost!) As dualtechs are (at least at present) tied to specific actors, you'll have to make new versions for different pairings, even if they know the same skills. Each party member has to learn the dualtech ability on their own. So if you want both party members calling it, teach both of them the dualtech skill. If you want one character to always initiate it, give it only to that one. However, the dualtech will only appear when the composite spells are learned and both characters are in the party, so feel free to teach every single one at level 1 if you don't want to have special unlock conditions for them. If you want to break the dependency of a dualtech on another tech, set it as a component to itself. This can be done for either or both of the actors defined in the skill. If you do this, the actor will use any MP or TP costs (or any other costs from plugins) associated with the dualtech skill in the database. Otherwise, the actor will ignore those costs and only spend the cost of the component skill. You can also teach the skill to a character not defined in the tag, which will (for that actor alone) treat the user as a part of the tech, and the user's "component" will be the tech itself. If you do this, however, it is not recommended to define the tech as a component for itself for any other actor. It lists the actors' names in the skill cost, which can get really, really unwieldy. To combat this, if you define Game_Actor.icon() to return icon IDs for each actor, you'll get icons instead. Down below, I have a small snippet of code that can do this for you (but there are other, more flexible ways to do it.) Or you can use the cycle parameters, mentioned below. This script is now fully compatible with Yanfly's SkillCore 1.01 and SkillCooldowns 1.02a! For compatibility purposes, please put this plugin below all plugins that modify skill cost or skill cost display in any fashion (plugins that do this that I'm aware of are the two aforementioned Yanfly plugins and Unconnected42's Ammunition plugin.) If you are using skill costs that come from a universal resource pool (in other words, something the entire party can access like money or items, not something individual like HP, MP, or TP) it is heavily recommended that you do not give the same type of cost to multiple actors for the same dualtech! (For instance, it is not recommended that Actor 1 uses a skill that uses up one Potion and Actor 2 uses a skill that uses up two Potions. If you have exactly two Potions, the plugin will actually let you use the skill and wind up with negative one Potions.) If the cost for each actor comes from a different pool (like A…

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ScytheX

#121 Apr 5, 2016, 03:49 AM Source

i just remembered something impotent! do actors have to both have magic to use the move or can one use Tp and the other MP? o:
HeroicJay

#122 Apr 5, 2016, 03:54 AM Source

Each actor can use any sort of cost that you can define, even through other plugins so long as those other plugins are configured in a compatible way (Yanfly's plugins should be.) Heck, in my demo *cough cough* there's a dualtech where both actors have no direct cost at all, and another where one character spends MP and the other one falls back a bit in the CTB list.

The one catch is that both actors must not use the same sort of universal cost. By "universal" I mean "doesn't apply to one character in particular". HP, MP, and TP are not universal - they are always good - but gold and items are (at least with the RPG Maker defaults). You can use universal costs. Heck, both characters can use universal costs so long as they're not pulling from the same pool (for instance, character A can use a Potion, character B can use 300 gold, and heck, character C can use an Ether - but you can't have both characters A and B using Potions.)
ScytheX

#123 Apr 5, 2016, 04:11 AM Source

ok so just a few more. this would work with yanfly's limit gauge?

http://yanfly.moe/2016/02/06/yep-67-party-limit-gauge/

and how would this work in a game that uses CTB

http://yanfly.moe/2015/12/05/yep-38-battle-system-charge-turn-battle/

and last would the cooldown plug in work on this too?

http://yanfly.moe/2015/10/14/yep-9-skill-cooldowns/

sorry this is alot i tend to push my projects to the limits to see how much i can add to them ^^;;
HeroicJay

#124 Apr 5, 2016, 04:33 AM Source

1. Would this work with Yanfly's limit gauge?

A. No good reason why it shouldn't, but remember that this does count as a universal cost, so limit it to one member of the team spending the party limit gauge.

2. Would this work in a game that uses CTB?

A. Why not? My demo uses CTB and dualtechs. However, there is no implementation at present to have character A wait until character B's turn before using the dualtech (it's something I've had on the backburner for a while, but I don't want that feature for my own game and was more focused on getting the demo out.) Character A will use the skill either immediately, or after a fixed charge time (depending on the skill itself).

3. Would the cooldown plugin work?

A. There was already a discussion about this in this topic. Yes, the cooldown plugin works, but as the cooldown is considered a "cost", it comes out of the component skill, not the dualtech itself (that does prevent the dualtech from being used during the cooldown, but it also prevents the component skill from being used.) If that's not what you want, try setting the dualtech as a "component" to itself! Yes, you can do that!

EDIT: Oh, wait, no, the discussion was on Limited Use. I'd imagine it should be the same deal though.
ScytheX

#125 Apr 5, 2016, 04:37 AM Source

ah ok thanks for the reply. i have no further questions as of now ^^
Kenshin

#126 Apr 18, 2016, 07:12 AM Source

Sorry to bother you, and sorry for my bad english, but i want to know 2 things:

1) this plug in allow even contemporary action from different characters, like Chrono Trigger/Chrono Chross X Strike?

2) It's possible to have even 3, or more character make a combo? (I Want to create even a 5 characters attack)
HeroicJay

#127 Apr 18, 2016, 04:24 PM Source

1. I think you're asking if it's possible to skip the other character's turn? It's an "on the backburner" thing.

2. With the plugin as it currently exists, the maximum is 3 characters per tech (and there are special rules on 3). Adding more characters is not outside the realm of possibility, but it would complicate the display and the logic.
Kenshin

#128 Apr 21, 2016, 10:44 PM Source

1 Sorry, I think I don't understand...
I don't want to skip a character turn (well yes he has to skip it if he act in the same time of another character, but it isn't what i was thinking of), but to act in the same time (like when in a movement event you don't click on "wait")

2 then it needs to be modified to have more characters per tech... If I learn java am I allowed to try to modify it?
HeroicJay

#129 Apr 21, 2016, 11:16 PM Source

Kenshin said:
1 Sorry, I think I don't understand...
I don't want to skip a character turn (well yes he has to skip it if he act in the same time of another character, but it isn't what i was thinking of), but to act in the same time (like when in a movement event you don't click on "wait")

2 then it needs to be modified to have more characters per tech... If I learn java am I allowed to try to modify it?

1. From my perspective, the best way to do that is to delay the first actor's turn until the second actor's turn comes up, then have the first actor use the skill and then skip the second actor's turn. (That isn't QUITE how it works for my Ellye ATB extension, though.)

2. Well, I guess, so long as the credit remains. Or, you know what? With a few teaks, this isn't as hard as it could be, so fine. Can't nobody say HeroicJay never did nothing for the peoples. You want quadtechs? Take decatechs. (I've only done some very basic testing - indeed, I only tested as far as quad - so I'm sorry if there's a bug that crept in.)
Naoko

#130 Apr 26, 2016, 07:38 PM Source

Umm... the skill doesn't trigger for me. I am using all of Yanfly's plugins and put this plugin at the very bottom. The skill shows and casts but just shows damage and no animations.

The skills I put in the dualtech are custom action sequences created under Yanfly's action sequences.

What am I doing wrong ?
Ilan14

#131 Apr 26, 2016, 07:45 PM Source

Hey man, sorry to bother you, but the pastebin link leads to the 1.05d version, not the 1.1 version... You should check that out.
Naoko

#132 Apr 26, 2016, 08:14 PM Source

Ilan14 said:
Hey man, sorry to bother you, but the pastebin link leads to the 1.05d version, not the 1.1 version... You should check that out.

Sir there are two links to the file. Use the bottom most one. It clearly states V. 1.1.
HeroicJay

#133 Apr 26, 2016, 08:33 PM Source

I replaced the wrong file with the new link. I accidentally replaced the link to the Ellye extension with version 1.1 of the actual main plugin. Oops!

There we go, all better now.

I can't say what the animation problem is, because I don't have an animation problem in my game. They show just fine. Maybe check that you didn't make any mistakes when setting the animation up? Or try pasting the skill's Notetag here so people can see it?

EDIT: Wait.

The skills I put in the dualtech are custom action sequences created under Yanfly's action sequences.

Er, did you put animation information in the dualtech itself? Because dualtechs do not read the animation information for the singletechs (nor do I intend to include such functionality; it should be expected that the animation for the dualtech is not the same as just combining the animations for the singletechs in most cases.)
Naoko

#134 Apr 26, 2016, 09:11 PM Source

HeroicJay said:
I replaced the wrong file with the new link. I accidentally replaced the link to the Ellye extension with version 1.1 of the actual main plugin. Oops!

There we go, all better now.

I can't say what the animation problem is, because I don't have an animation problem in my game. They show just fine. Maybe check that you didn't make any mistakes when setting the animation up? Or try pasting the skill's Notetag here so people can see it?

EDIT: Wait.

Er, did you put animation information in the dualtech itself? Because dualtechs do not read the animation information for the singletechs (nor do I intend to include such functionality; it should be expected that the animation for the dualtech is not the same as just combining the animations for the singletechs in most cases.)

How do I put the 2 custom skill action sequences in the dual tech notetag? Paste the 1st skill sequence and the 2nd one below it ? Or do I have to create a completely

new sequence for the dual tech ?
HeroicJay

#135 Apr 26, 2016, 09:17 PM Source
You have to create a new sequence for the dualtech. You don't have to start from scratch - you can imitate parts of the animations from the component techs if that suits your needs, though I wouldn't refer to "user" when setting them up in most cases. Remember that Yanfly's action sequences do allow you to animate specific actors by ID number, which is how I'd recommend you do it (it's how I did it in the Jay's Journey demo.)

Here's an example. Specifically, it's the animation set up for the skill "Sparkling Swing" in the Jay's Journey demo. This might seem a little hypocritical that I definitely refer to "user" rather than referring to Jay as "character 1", but that's okay in this case because Cindel ("character 4") cannot call Sparkling Swing herself. If Cindel could call Sparkling Swing, Jay would need to be listed as "character 1".
Code:
<Dual:1,Power Attack,4,Shine> <Setup Action> DISPLAY ACTION IMMORTAL: targets, TRUE MOVE user: FORWARD, 50, 5 MOVE character 4: FORWARD, 50, 5 WAIT FOR MOVEMENT </Setup Action> <Target Action> MOTION GUARD: user MOTION CHANT: character 4 MOTION WAIT: user ANIMATION 52: user ANIMATION 127: character 4 WAIT FOR ANIMATION MOTION SPELL: character 4 MOTION WAIT: character 4 ANIMATION 132: user WAIT FOR ANIMATION JUMP user: 150% MOVE user: target, FRONT BASE WAIT FOR JUMP MOTION ATTACK: user MOTION WAIT: user ACTION ANIMATION WAIT FOR ANIMATION ACTION EFFECT: target DEATH BREAK </Target Action>
Naoko

#136 Apr 26, 2016, 09:30 PM Source

Thank you so much!
Naoko

#137 Apr 26, 2016, 09:50 PM Source

Ok.. sorry for disturbing again but I ran into a new problem. The 2nd character doesnt move forward and just disappears from the screen though her damage shows as popup.

Here is the skill sequence for the dual tech I use -

<Dual:1,Extinction,7,Shadow Blast>

<Setup Action>

DISPLAY ACTION

IMMORTAL: targets, TRUE

MOVE user: FORWARD, 50, 5

MOVE character 7: FORWARD, 50, 5

WAIT FOR MOVEMENT

</Setup Action>

<target action>

hide battle hud

opacity not focus: 0, 20

wait for opacity

opacity user: 0%, 5

move user: target, front, 5

wait for opacity

opacity user: 100%, 5

wait for opacity

motion attack: user

action animation

shake screen: 3, 5, 10

ani wait: 5

action effect

immortal: target, false

Wait 15

move user: home, 5

face user: forward

wait for animation

wait for movement

move character 7: target, back base

wait for movement

face character 7: backward

wait: 60

motion chant: character 7

action animation: target

wait for animation

action effect

perform finish

</target action>

<follow action>

opacity not focus: 100%, 60

wait for opacity

show battle hud

</follow action>
HeroicJay

#138 Apr 26, 2016, 10:16 PM Source

"Opacity not focus" is the problem. Yanfly's scripts don't realize that there are two actors that it should be focusing on, so whichever one isn't the direct user of the skill is going to disappear along with everyone else. I would think setting "Opacity character 7: 100%, 1" between "Opacity not focus" and "wait for opacity" would probably work, though I haven't tested that.

Also, keep in mind that, with that particular skill, the animation would only play right if character 1, not character 7, uses the dualtech skill directly. If that's how your game is set up, then that's fine, just making sure.
Naoko

#139 Apr 26, 2016, 10:34 PM Source

I figured that out already but thanks for the help sir!

I can't combine my two animation sequences correctly though... I guess I am still terrible at this sequence combining thing.... :(

Reality is so harsh! ;_;

P.S. Thanks a lot for helping again!
Ilan14

#140 Apr 27, 2016, 01:21 AM Source

Ok, now it shows the right one. Thanks for the help! :)