Chaining or Comboing Skills by Button Input During Battle

GreenBanana · 2018-11-15T09:43:59+0900

If this script already exists, then I don't know what terminology it's being identified by in order to search for it. Otherwise, I've been striving to convert two importantly and inexplicably neglected VX Ace scripts into MV plugins, but as learning Ruby and JavaScript is not as easy for me as it is for other people, it's been slow going. These two scripts bear functionality which are extremely similar in fashion. Chaining Skills In this context, chaining skills refers to creating a skill which can allow the user to instantly use another skill on his or her turn in battle, selecting from multiple available choices. This is based upon the YEARepo script, Active Chain Skills. In battle, the user selects a skill which has been given a note tag referencing other skill IDs to which it can be chained (and these in turn can be chained to still more skills). When he or she uses this skill during battle, a prompt comes up for multiple learned chain-able skills and their corresponding buttons. When one of these buttons is pressed, its corresponding skill is used as soon as the present skill finishes playing out. It's actually much simpler than it sounds in practice. For example, a grapple skill could be chained to one of various throws. Combo Skills In this context, combo-ing skills refers to creating a skill which can allow the user to input a string of buttons while using a skill on his or her turn in battle which will unleash a prompted series of other skills from multiple available choices, which the possibility of certain combinations activating a finisher. This is based upon the YEARepo script, Input Combo Skills. In battle, the user selects a skill which has been given a note tag referencing other skill IDs which can form a combination of skills. While the skill is playing out, the player presses whatever combination of buttons corresponding to a prompt of multiple learned skills to play out that series of (traditionally five) skills one after another. As a bonus, a specific combination can be set to activate a finishing move at the end of the sequence. It's actually much simpler than it sounds in practice. For example, a series of karate moves could be combo-ed together in quick succession. Since I'm not the best at explanations, I recommend that people try the two VX Ace scripts found at the links cited above to develop a clearer understanding of this game play mechanic.

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Started by GreenBanana Nov 15, 2018, 12:43 AM 60 posts Page 2 of 3 View original ↗

caethyril

#21 Dec 24, 2018, 09:25 AM Source
STB received an update a few months ago that fixed the force action/instant cast issues, I think? http://yanfly.moe/2018/09/28/battle-system-stb-bug-fix-update-and-comparing-battle-systems/

If it comes right down to it, you can event the desired sequences yourself:
- Pictures for user feedback/interface;
- Loops, branches and variables/switches to track input;
- Action sequence to start the input mid-skill;
- Conditions/variables in the damage formula or action sequence to impact the skill output.
It's certainly not an efficient way of going about things (probably lags horribly on mobile, I haven't tried), and it does require quite a bit of work and logic/eventing proficiency, but it's serviceable and gives you almost complete control over what kind of input you want. In case you're interested, I have an example on the Steam Workshop: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1287577261

All that said, @Astfgl66's plugin looks fantastic.
GreenBanana

#22 Dec 24, 2018, 08:04 PM Source

Marijn Haverbeke wrote in his book, Eloquent Javascript:
The idea of writing a program is to make something less work, not more.
Of course, he also said:
You’re building your own maze, in a way, and you might just get lost in it.
But then he went and said:
A program is a building of thought. It is costless to build, it is weightless, and it grows easily under our typing hands.

As for the aforementioned plugin, while it looks great, there are so many steps to installation not mentioned within its own plugins' internal documentation, and there are numerous errors when attempting to implement it even as outlined in the examples given earlier in the thread, such as only one skill from a given array being usable, or a skill only being selected once but playing twice. It's unpredictable.
Astfgl66

#23 Dec 24, 2018, 09:54 PM Source

What you're describing isn't expected behaviour, and it's also behaviour I'm not able to reproduce, having used the plugin extensively for my own projects. The whole array of skills in my projects can play out and selected skills don't play twice.
So : either you're using it wrong, you're not understanding how it works, or it's an indeed a bug.
I'm available to help you understand how it works, or to fix bugs if there indeed are.

I'd also like to know what steps I haven't mentionned in my documentation. Maybe the one where you need to specifically name it, but it's in the thread and it's also a default behaviour of the engine for all plugins, not only mine.

Sharing your experience with using it would allow me to improve documentation for parts that need it and clear issues for future users. I'd appreciate it. It might even result in a plugin you can use to make your project, which is the desired result.
I wrote that plugin, so for me the documentation is perfect and I can understand everything about using the plugin with it. It's obvious that for people who don't know programming and haven't written it it won't be perfect, and you can help:
Pointing me to what you don't understand is the best way to improve things, for me, you and everyone.
I reiterate about you writing me a PM with your issues so I can help you out without derailing this thread further.
GreenBanana

#24 Dec 30, 2018, 08:50 PM Source

Well I'd hope I'm using it "wrong" so that there's promise to the script working as intended when inserted alongside other common modular scripts.

The problem with leaving certain steps in the forums only is that forums are disorganized, difficult to search, easily if not instantaneously cluttered, and ideally all information can easily be put into one place. They're still the only two scripts that I know of which require specific file names. Do they also need to be two separate scripts, just to display another window with available skill options during battle?

I commend you for your offer to help work it out--it demonstrates leagues of professionalism where other scripters have simply grown bored of MV after just a few years of the program being out. I still would like to see any and all scripts pertaining to this requests functionality listed here, but I still thank you for your help.
GreenBanana

#25 Jan 4, 2019, 01:59 PM Source

Bump.
GreenBanana

#26 Jan 11, 2019, 03:33 AM Source

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#27 Jan 14, 2019, 10:58 PM Source

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#28 Jan 17, 2019, 05:51 PM Source

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#29 Jan 23, 2019, 11:05 PM Source

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#30 Jan 27, 2019, 01:51 PM Source

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#31 Jan 31, 2019, 06:50 PM Source

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#32 Feb 3, 2019, 01:49 PM Source

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#33 Feb 7, 2019, 01:51 AM Source

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#34 Feb 10, 2019, 02:58 PM Source

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#35 Feb 14, 2019, 04:11 PM Source

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#36 Feb 17, 2019, 03:16 PM Source

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VeryXInh

#37 Feb 19, 2019, 07:07 AM Source

@GreenBanana Found this on google,
isn't this what you want, at 00:17
GreenBanana

#38 Feb 19, 2019, 06:35 PM Source

VeryXInh said:
@GreenBanana Found this on google,
isn't this what you want, at 00:17

No, those are SumRndmDde's skill input plugins.

The plugin I'm looking for would allow a player character to choose from multiple skills to chain or combo to while using a skill. One skill could branch into multiple other skills.

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Astfgl66

#39 Feb 19, 2019, 06:49 PM Source

Deleted by a mod.

I wonder what Yanfly did to deserve a comment so hateful. I guess releasing plugins for free is a sin.
Anyway this last post has probably ruined any chance you had of anyone ever fullfilling your request.
mlogan

#40 Feb 19, 2019, 07:09 PM Source

@GreenBanana I've removed your comment for it's hatefulness.
Please be advised that if you post such again about anyone, you will, at minimum, be suspended from these forums.

I strongly suggest you take a look at our rules, as this has violated the first one. https://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?threads/forum-rules.90/